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- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 91 17:30:52 CDT
- From: Matthew Weisberg <moodyblu@buhub.bradley.edu>
- Message-Id: <9104262230.AA13993@buhub.bradley.edu>
- To: bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU
- Cc:
- Subject: HT Info
- Status: RO
-
-
- It was suggested that I send the following digest of HT info to you.
- Let me know if there are any problems with it, etc.
-
- Matt Weisberg
-
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-
-
-
- Since several people have asked me to forward them replies to my recent
- questions about HT's, I decided to post a summary of responses:
-
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-
- In ham radio, you absolutely get what you pay for. I suggest looking
- for a used Icom 32-AT if you want a dual bander.--
-
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-
- Welcome aboard Matt! --
- For what its worth, I'd suggest you avoid used Santec and
- used Azden H/Ts. It's tough finding parts and accessories
- for them, not to mention service.
- However, there are good used H/Ts available that can usually
- be had reasonably ($100-$175 depending on age/condition/accessories
- etc). Icom 2ATs (thumb-wheel freq selection, no scan) are widely
- available, rugged, and battery packs, speaker/mics, etc are easy to
- come by (some guys just refuse to sell when it comes down to the wire,
- they like this little radio so much!). Kenwood 7300's are a little
- more sophisticated, but some would say not as rugged as the Icom 2AT.
- Older Yaesus are around as well. As I said before, just avoid the
- off-brands, and you'll likely be ok.
- For new rigs, if you are so inclined, don't overlook Alinco. I'm
- very happy with my DJ-160 2-mtr, and lot's of folks have commented
- favorably on the Alinco dual-bander. Right now, the previous models
- of Kenwood and Icom dual banders are widely available at "sale"
- prices as they clear stock to make way for the newer, smaller, more
- bells-and-whistles models.
- Lot's to choose from, so enjoy the quest! 73 -- Have fun Hamming!
-
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-
- Congratulations on your license!
-
- I have a Yaesu FT-23R (2-meter), which set me back $270. I was looking for
- something used, but used HTs are rare, at least around here. The FT-23 lacks
- some features which would occasionally be nice (i.e., sub-audibles and DTMF),
- but which I don't miss. You can add these features later, but it's cheaper
- to the next model up, which has them built in.
-
- My favorite thing about the Yaesu is it's small enough to carry with me almost
- everywhere. When I'm rich & famous, and can afford to get another HT, I'll
- keep this one as a backup, and for those times when I want the small package.
- For now, this is my only 2-meter rig--base, mobile, and hand-held all in one.
-
- Whatever you get, get a decent antenna. I only use the rubber duck when the
- telescoping would be too much in the way. I've got a 3/8-wave whip, and it
- makes a BIG difference in reception and ability to hit the repeater. 1/2 wave
- would have been better, but I'm not sure the difference between the 3/8 and
- 1/2 would be as dramatic as between the 3/8 and the duck. Probably the best
- $10 I spent on gear.
-
- Hope this helps.
-
- --Mike
-
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-
- If I were money-constrained right now, but wanted a good dual-band HT,
- I'd buy a used IC24AT. There will be a number on the market at good
- prices, since the IC W2 is now out, and is even neater.
- The '24 is a very nice rig.
- 73, doug
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-
- I just purchased an Icom IC-24AT. Below is the chart I put together
- while looking for a HT. Icom has just announced a new model (the IC-W2
- or something) and the prices on the 24 have dropped. Hope this
- helps.
-
- Phil
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- Comparison chart of 2m/70cm dual-band HTs -- 26 Mar 1991
-
- [ Please Note: I added the info on the Alinco DJ-560T - Matt Weisb e
-
-
- Radios included:
- Alinco DJ-560T, DJ-500T
- Kenwood TH-77A
- Icom IC-24AT,IC-32AT
- Yaesu FT-470, Reviewed in Sept 90 QST
-
- Radio DJ-560T DJ-500T TH-77A IC24-AT IC-32AT FT-470
- ------------------------------------------------------
- RxCov 130-174 136-165 138-174 138-174 130-180
- 400-520 438-450 440-450 440-450 430-450
- RxSens 0.18 0.25 0.158
- TxCov 144-148 140-150 140-150 144-148
- 440-450 440-450 440-450 430-450
- FDX Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
- X-Band Yes Yes Mod
- DualDsp Yes Yes Yes No Yes
- CTCSS Yes Yes Opt Yes Yes
- ToneSq Yes Yes Opt Opt
- MemCh 20x2+2 20 42 40x2+2 20x2+2 19x2+2
- DTMFmem 10x15 4x15 None 10x15
- FacPwr 2.0 2.5 2.5 5W 2.3W
- PwrSet 2 4 2 2
- Scan BM BSML BML BML
- Clock Yes No
- Saver Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
- APO Yes Yes Yes No Yes
- MSR 629 629 576
- RCUSA 380 464
- HRO 400 519 474
- AES 400 520 480 549
- EEB 560 580 399
- Acc Charg Charg Charg Charg Case
- BeltClp BeltClp BeltClp BeltClp Charger
- KbCov BeltClp
-
- Features:
- - Scan: B - band
- S - skip during band scan
- M - scan memory channels
- L - Lock out memory channels during scan
- - APO: Automatic power off
- - Saver: Battery saving monitor mode
- - Tone Sq: DTMF operated tone squelch
- - Mem Chan: channels x freq/channel + calling channels
- - FDX: Cross-band full duplex
- - X-Band: cross-band repeat
- - DualDisp: Dual frequency Display
- - FacPwr - Transmit ppower from factory, all of these units are 5W with
- 13.6V
- - PwrSet - Number of transmit power settings
- - MSR - Manufacturer's Suggested Retail
- - RCUSA - Radio Cebter USA
- - HRO - Ham Radio Outlet
- - AES - Amateur Electronics Supply
- - EEB - Electronic Equipment Bank
-
- Other features:
- The following information is based on things I have seen on the net
- and may not necessarily work. I have also put comments that don't
- fit in the chart in this section.
- - Kenwood TH-77A
- 2m section is modifiable for MARS/CAP
- can be modified for 118-165MHz Rx
- dual UHF receive
- - Icom IC-24AT
- A diode will extend UHF transmit range to 410-485
- A diode will extend VHF transmit range to 138-168
- Keyboard entry can enable 100-1000MHz Receive (diode has to
- be removed on older models).
- A diode can be removed to allow cross-band repeat
- Icom IC-32AT
- Simple mods for RX on 138-168 and 418-458. Tx on those ranges with
- a bit more work.
- - Yaesu 470
- There is a mod for transmit on 140-174
- Several people have mentioned that the backlit keyboard in a nice
- feature.
-
- Phil Benchoff
- benchoff@groupw.cns.vt.edu
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- In rec.radio.amateur.misc you write:
-
-
- >Being a new Ham (still waiting for license!), I was looking around at
- >getting an HT. There seems to be a lot of them out there and many
-
- I like my Alinco DJ-560 dual bander. Alinco is very competitive on price
- and has good quality stuff.
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-
- Well I do like the DJ-560T very much. Can't think of any problems other
- than those I inflicted on it myself by dropping it ...
- It does not suffer much from overload which has been a major
- criticism of the FT-470... I waited a long while for this one
- I read the Japanese ham mag CQ Ham Radio and waited several months
- for it to be marketed in the USA.
-
- Very wide out of band coverage on both VHF - UHF something like
- 130 -170 and 410 - 510 .. don't remember exactly.
- The major strike against against Alinco is poor documentation or
- translation of documentation. But if you don't use too much fancy
- stuffDDD
-
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-
- Hello again Matt,
- First, thanks for your reply. I cannot speak exhaustively concerning
- the background of Alinco as a company, although my meager understanding
- is that they have been active in Japan for quite a while successfully
- before moving into the American market. I have been on the newsfeed for
- about a year, and all Alinco products have been basically positive. Two
- issues do come up: Manuals written in Japiglish and Accessory availability.
- I personally found their manual translations to be better than a lot of
- equipment I've purchased, although (and here's the real rub as far as
- Ham's go) the technical explanations of non-obvious features _are_ not
- very clear. The dialer instructions in my version of the 160 manual were
- particularly crazy in my view. (Worse, I couldn't discover any way to
- slow down the autodial pulses, which are too fast for the local repeater
- controller to handle! - Not that punching a telephone number in is very
- difficult a chore :-) (P.S. Even Kenwood gets knocked on about manuals!)
- As far as accessories go, when I first bought my 160 the local Candy Store
- didn't have any shell packs (to allow me to use alcalines or my own nicads
- to power the H/T) and they didn't have any headset mikes either. I bought
- a spare regular rechargable pack at that time, and put my name on the list
- to eventually buy the shell pack, which did come in later. Headset/mikes
- are now in stock. In general, I believe the supply is finally reaching the
- demand.
- I'll admit (unlike some pundits :-) that I bought basically on the price
- point. If it had looked like a piece of junk when I examined it in the
- store, I was prepared to buy around it (even though it was vacation money
- I was spending HI). It turned out to look and feel as well built as any
- of the other H/Ts, was smaller than all but the expensive "micro" radios,
- and had a TWO year warrenty (next closest just one year, another brand only
- had a 6 month H/T warrenty!). I've operated that DJ-160 for almost a year
- now, including (for all practical purposes) daily use. It is on my belt
- or in my briefcase all the time. Yesterday I worked my seventh (?more?)
- major public service event with it (MS-150 Bicycle tour). I've dropped it
- (bought the case after the first drop reminded me it can happen to ME, and
- keep it in the soft case always, which doesn't interfere with operations).
- I often power it via the external DC-in, with no headaches. I weekly check
- in to net operations using the 160 while I walk our two dogs. I use it!
- Lot's of other Ham's do the same things using the major brands - but I
- think that's my point. I use it in the same rugged fashion other H/Ts are
- used with no problems. I don't believe you could ask for more from your
- radio regardless of price! You should shop around. You should handle the
- radios you can lay hands on. But don't dismiss Alinco from your list till
- YOU decide so (some folks are highly biased toward a particular brand, and
- all others are trash to them, particularly newcomers like Alinco). My wife
- has a Yaesu 2-mtr dual-bander (almost never uses the 440!). We have both
- Icom and Kenwood mobile 2-mtr rigs. My Alinco DJ-160 holds its own and
- then some! Good luck with whichever way you chose to go!
-
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- Hope that was of some help. I am seriously considering an Alinco DJ-560T,
- so if anyone has any caveats, please let me know. Thanks again for
- everyone that replied.
-
-
- Matt Weisberg (7 weeks and counting!...ugh!)
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